About NeverFF

Why it exists

The name says it: never surrender. Most lost games are not lost at minute five, they are lost in the build, the draft or the lane matchup. NeverFF puts the answer to those questions on one page: what to build against this team, who counters this champion, and which class or spec fits the way you like to play.

League of Legends

• Counter build advisor. Pick your champion and the enemy team and get items and runes that answer their damage, crowd control and healing.
• Champion builds. Items, runes, skill order and win rates for every champion and role.
• Counters and the Counter-Picker. Who beats each champion in each lane, with a short tip on how to play the matchup.
• Duo combos, tier lists and items.

World of Warcraft: Forever

• Spec guides for all 27 specs, with a level 60 build in a real talent tree you can edit, a rotation and the best races.
• Talent calculator, stat priority, leveling guide, professions and an interactive map.
• Patch notes that show every talent change with the old and new tooltip side by side.

Where the data comes from

• League builds and win rates come from about 175,000 ranked Solo/Duo matches on EU West, Platinum to Challenger, collected through Riot Games' official API and grouped by champion, role and enemy. Champion, item and rune names and art come from Riot's Data Dragon.
• WoW Forever guides are built from the game client's own data tables (talents, recipes, items, zones), Blizzard's patch notes and our own testing. Talent text comes through the open talentsforever.com export (see Terms and data credits).

How we keep it right

• We recheck counter picks against current patch win rates on independent stat sites, starting with the most played champions, and replace any pick the numbers don't back up.
• Every WoW talent build is run through the game's talent rules (row gates and prerequisites) by a script before it goes live, and patch notes are compared line by line with our data.
• When the game changes, the pages change: talent data, recipes and guides are rebuilt from each new game update, and pages say when something is projected instead of confirmed.
• Spotted a mistake? Tell us and we fix it.

Free, and how it stays free

NeverFF is free to use and you never need an account. Signing in only saves your favorites and progress. To pay for servers and match data we show ads from Google beside the page, never over your builds. Read how we handle data in the Privacy Policy.

Contact

Questions, corrections or ideas: neverffapp@gmail.com, or see the contact page for Discord and our socials.